April 4th, 2008
|11:14 pm - The day the Great Wall got called a "Staircase"|
Sometimes you meet people who just makes you want to tear your hair out in frustration yet at the same time just shake your head in disbelief. Today, I was at the bus stop with a friend, waiting for the bus. This older man comes up to me and I guess he judged from my looks that I was Chinese and he's like "hey look at this pin I've got" and proceeded to show me this pin on his hat that was a panda with the word "China" under it (he had lots of different pins on his hat, souvenirs from one occasion or another I guess). It was a cute pin so I was like "oh that's adorable, you've visited China before?" to which he responds no but I guess some friend of his had or something and bought him the pin. He then kept talking and showed me 3 other pins, one of the Great Wall, another of the Forbidden City's front gates and a third of Mao Ze Dong. This was where I started wanting to cry and laugh at the same time. He called the Great Wall "the longest staircase in the world", called the Forbidden City "that place where they all pray" and asked if Mao was still alive today.
Now, I understand China's on the other side of the planet, and it's unfair of me to expect everyone here to know it as thoroughly as the Chinese people do but...umm...as a Chinese person...you can well imagine the flood of thoughts that waterfalled through my head.
Great Wall = staircase?
Forbidden City = temple?
Mao = alive and kicking?
This nice old man continued on to insist to me that there was war going on in China, and that the Red Army was still randomly killing people. Er...right...ok then. I tried to explain that there was no war in China, conflict possibly, but no war, and the Red Army doesn't exist anymore and his response was "oh no, no, I know there's war, lots of people being killed. And those Red Army, they're bad, they just kill everyone. You know in that square? Yeah they just run over people that one time with tanks, lots of people, hundreds and hundreds were killed, just run over with tanks. Those Red Army, they're bad".
Yeah, ok, sure, don't even get me freaking started on the TianAnMen Square incident. There's so much crap on that incident the West doesn't see, and when you try to tell them all they ever respond with is "well the government and military shouldn't have killed those innocent people, that's an infringement on their human rights". Always with the damn human rights, I'm getting sick and tired of people using that banner everywhere, it's like the USA using the "DEMOCRACY" banner to invade and mess up one country after another. You know, it's ok if your country's in chaos and can't function properly because people have decided they need to exercise their individual rights so they ignore what's needed and good for the country as a whole, but you know if the government steps in and forcibly stops that that's AN INFRINGEMENT ON HUMAN RIGHTS OMG!!! THE BLASPHEMY!! BAD GOVERMENT!! BAD, BAD!!! PEOPLE MUST BE FREE TO DO AS THEY WISH!! EVEN IF IT TURNS THE COUNTRY UPSIDE DOWN, INSIDE OUT, AND ALL AROUND!!! Oh but see, when the people do it here, like Seattle 1999, no that's not allowed. We're just keeping law and order, that's legitimate intervention and infringement on peoples' freedom of speech and expression. Pft, Seattle only lasted about a week with numbers at the highest estimate of about 100,000. TianAnMen Square incident lasted for months with millions of people, not much when compared to the entire population of China, but enough to give any single government a headache. I'd like to see a couple million people gathered on Capitol Hill or Parliament Hill for a few months and see what methods our governments use to settle the problem. Actually, if the government was really smart they'd label those protesters as terrorists or at least backed by terrorists, then they'd get the all-clear to open fire and more than likely the majority of the morons hanging around would nod wisely and go "Well of course, they were terrorists! Our governments are saints from heaven, of course they wouldn't open fire on INNOCENT civilians, they only do that in those crazy, psychotic dictator and commie states where the governments are just greedy bastards from hell. We are the warriors of justice! We shall save them and show them the light of our magnificent system and ways!!" aided of course by our "free media" to spread their biblical gospel.
Ok, kind of wandered off-topic, back to my encounter with the nice, old gentleman.
He then turned to my friend and asked her whether she's Chinese and she told him her mom was Taiwanese and her dad was from China. The man in turn replied with "Oh Taiwan, yes! They're a free country now, no communist in that country, lots of communism in China though, but not in Taiwan, they're free, that's a nice country".
1) Dispute between Taiwan and China aside, Taiwan has not been recognized as a country by the international community, they do not have a seat at the United Nations. Plus ever since the recognition of the Beijing government as the official government of China at the UN, even the USA, Taiwan's supporter, has oriented their policy towards the situation as "One China".
2) Define "free" for me will ya? That's another word that's been irking me lately. Free, freedom, liberty. If there's any "freedom" we wouldn't need laws, a lot of lawyers would need a new career, we wouldn't need courts, we wouldn't need this justice system. One person's freedom is another man's chains dude. Stop tossing that family of words around, those words alone are contradictory to the entire human existence within any society.
3) Well...China's government is Communist, so..., of course there's "lots of communism"...whatever that means. Oh, and for chrissakes stop making it sound like Satan himself created communism, Chinese people like our Communist government just fine, thank you very much, sure they've got problems, but no less and no more then any other government. They've made mistakes, but again, no less and no more than any other government. Whatever happened to the Chinese peoples' right to self-determination? Or does that only apply when 'the people' choose to determine their future in the path of Western democracy? Every other path is apparently only chosen because 'those people' who choose it are misled, being lied to, misinformed, brainwashed, uneducated, haven't seen the light, backwards, or to put it bluntly, stupid, moronic and mentally retarded right? Except this time those misled, lied to, misinformed, brainwashed, uneducated, haven't seen the light, backwards, stupid, moronic and mentally retarded people number over 1billion. In other words around 20% of the world's population, a population that is above the population of Canada, USA, all of Europe, Russia and Australia combined. Wow, that's some powerful propaganda those Commies in Beijing have created to mislead, lie to, misinform, brainwash, uneducate, keep in the dark, stupify, moronify, mentally retard that many people. You know, to be quite honest, if all this way of thinking really has been the result of Chinese government propaganda, I've really gotta give a nod of respect and admiration to them for being able to do it so amazingly well, I mean wow, that's quite a magical formula...wonder if I can get my hands on it someday...hehe...RULE THE WORLD WITH MY BRAINWASHING POWERS!!! MWAHAHA!!
*Sigh* well one can dream...
I mean this guy wasn't mean or anything, he just wanted to show me his pins, but still, at the same time the Chinese gene in me is like "dude, don't try to tell ME what's going on in MY country like you know MY country better than ME <___<". Goodness gracious...
And now to dive under the covers and use my plushies to shield from all the "YOU'RE SO STUPID AND WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. YOU'RE SO DUMB AND THIS IS ALL B/S AND CHINA IS THE WORST COUNTRY LIKE EVAR!! HOW DARE YOU INFRINGE UPON MY RIGHT TO JUDGE CHINA AND BASH COMMUNISM AND YOU HAVE SOME NERVE TO TELL US TO KEEP OUR NOSES OUT OF OTHER COUNTRIES' BUSINESS!!!!" attacks...SAVE ME MY PLUSHIES~!!
Brr...next week's the last week of class...this semester's dragged on too long I think, my patience with anything, everything and everyone's wearing thin. It'd be interesting to note the frequency upon which I use swear words at the beginning of the school year compared with at the end, along with the frequency and severity of irritation caused by various...incidents. School's not good for one's health I tell ya, the longer you stay in it the more you get stressed and irritated. Heck modern life isn't good for one's health I'd argue. Just waiting for the day the meteor strikes us and clears us out...hopefully before we start spreading our poisonous tentacles into outer space...let's at least keep the pollution on this planet and spare the rest of the galaxy.
I agree with you 100 percent. Holy crap, ONE HUNDRED PERCENT.
Thank you, good to know I've got support. Everytime I make a post like this that leans pro-China or speak out in class in defense of China I always end up shaking afterwards because I feel like I'm going to get looked upon as some freak-a-zoid, so to have comments that are supportive (or even just not outright attacks) is really awesome.
That was amusing but at the same time very WTF
Its kinda pitiful people still assume such things despite time has passed. Shows how ignorant people still are. That and there's always that superior belief that the West is better then the East. :/
Hmm, speaking of the Forbidden City. The only thing I knew about it, were one there's a similar structure in Vietnam and two, wasn't it like Emperor's private quarters?
I don't so right D:
I think the guy needs to get on with the times.
Well the Forbidden City has 2 parts, the main hall at the front was the place the emperor(s) handled state affairs and the back was the living quarters for the emperor and his concubines. So every morning he'd hold court in the main hall, if there was any troubles in the country that needed his attention, invasions/trouble at the borders, and also meet with foreign diplomats/guests. You definitely don't go praying at the front gates of the Palace though, that's what temples are for lol.
Ah I see. I see :o I always assumed it to be either a palace or a summer retreat for the Empress in later years. :o
You definitely don't go praying at the front gates of the Palace though, that's what temples are for lol.
Well you could but I doubt anyone would let you ;D?
Well I mean, people wouldn't really care...but you'd probably get stared at by passer-bys...kind of like if you went worshiping over on Parliament Hill here in Canada or in front of the White House in Washington. The next question would be uh...who you're trying to pray to...seeing as there's no emperor in there anymore...at least over here on Parliament you can pray to Harper (ugh) or at the White House you can...pray to Bush?? O______o Maybe pray that he won't try to come and instill a 'regime change' in your house like he did in Iraq lol.
|Date:||April 5th, 2008 06:20 pm (UTC)|| |
OMG-I've never laughed this hard ever. In all seriousness though, are sure that guy wasn't just in some perpetual time warp that oriented his thinking back to 1989? You make a lot of interesting points: I think its a fallacy to equate a political ideology with the actions of a government (b/c if this were true, we could say that the Chinese government of 1989 was compelled to kill thousands b/c of Communism, which is just plainly absurd but is what people are actually saying/believing!). I agree with you about the whole 'banner of democracy, freedom, etc." effect: it's highly hypocritical, but you have to realize that countries like the US & Canada have never really experienced a cause for something as ideal as democracy, etc. that China, Venezuela, African nations, etc. have (note: Quebec's separatist movement would probably be considered the exception). People simply don;t care if it's 100,000 people in Seattle protesting the WTO b/c it is viewed as a illegitimate cause, contrary to what America stands for (ie. capitalism). In other places, the West (well people who are exclusively Western (ie. white)) cannot grasp the intracacies & dynamics of conflict in other nations b/c they are either ignorant, don't care, or view it as a legitimate movement for an ideal that they already have (which is the case between the US & China). On a personal level, I'm not concerned as to whether China continues to be communist, goes democratic,etc. It is a unique place with an extensive & illustrative history, and I think has done an excellent job of maturing on the global economy without sacrificing much of its character (unlike other nations).-James
Western hypocrisy and ignorance are at such incredible levels. I mean I honestly used to think ("used to" as in before this whole Tibet thing started up) that the West was doing its best to change that, or at least the younger generation is. I mean looking around at my classmates they're super enthusiastic about taking the culture of countries and being super careful not to tread on that when discussing the whole development issue, whereas looking at something like the IMF, there was the tendency to just plow right over individual national cultures and use a cookie-cutter policy.
Now I'm just like...wtf, it hasn't changed at all! Like talking with this one guy I know from class, he's a nice guy, pretty open-minded, you know, the usual NDP supporting university student, but then we got onto the topic of the Beijing Olympics and Sudan oil and all that and I was like "well, you know, China's not really doing anything the West hasn't done before. I may not think it's a great...role-model to follow and exemplify but the West really aren't in a position to criticize. The Chinese government's trying to develop its country and make life better for its people that's their top priority as harsh as it may sound". The boy was like "Oh yeah, I understand, the West has done basically the same thing in the past, but you know I think it's important to realize that when we criticize a country's government, we're not saying the people of that country are bad or anything".
Huh...ok, but that separation of government and people is solely emphasized to such a degree in the Western, liberal, representative democratic system where the people are seen as a...check on government power and we ourselves criticize them endlessly. For the Chinese people the government is seen as their leader, their "mother and father" almost in some aspects, their guard against another invasion by the West like back at the beginning of the 20th century. It has been that way since the time of the emperors, the people were known as his sons and daughters, local magistrates/judges/governors were termed as 'mother and father officials', the concept is completely different than the role of the government here. Try as I might this guy just couldn't wrap his head around that, he'd say he understand, but the next thing out of his mouth would show he completely didn't get it.
So...frustrating...and it's not his fault, I mean hey if that concept just hasn't ever been a part of his life it's hard to just BAM all of a sudden understand it all, but just...grr..it's even worse since the West has the tendency to be the busybody regardless of whether they understand, they don't understand, they think they understand but really don't or whatever else.
*Sigh* How I miss those carefree high school days James, how I miss those days :3
|Date:||April 6th, 2008 02:44 am (UTC)|| |
That's why people have reasons to believe that China is going to not only catch up but advance in future in this world. China is trying her best to learn what ever is good from west while the West refuse to know China. How could you win if you know little to your enemy?
|Date:||April 6th, 2008 02:54 am (UTC)|| |
Good point. BTW I love the new background!-James
Thanks lol, dark and smexy, rawr~ >D! The userpic I'm using for this comment is of the same woman, without the heavy stage make-up.
Yes, bring the good aspects from both sides together to create a system that works the best for China :D Democracy and communism were both coined by the West, China will carve out its own system for its own people best suited for its culture and with lessons learned from its own history along with lessons learned from observing the West and its actions.
zomg. That was effing hilarious. It's just so amusing how certain westerners view China and these instances really makes one feel good to be one of the 'insiders' to know what it's really like. =P
Love your layout btw. Smexy Mizu FTW~! ^^
Hehe, so true, and thanks~ ^O^
|Date:||April 6th, 2008 03:54 pm (UTC)|| |
He was probably just old and confused which decade we're in :p
Yeah... it must be damn annoying when someone decides you must be Chinese and starts pulling yer leg about that. I'm not sure i'd have resisted the temptation to punch him a fist in the face if i were you :S
Hehe, well when he babbled on about the Red Army, TianAnMen Square, Taiwan as a country and this apparent war in China I got a little miffed, but he was an older man and was one of those chatterboxes that I think will grab anyone at the bus stop and ramble their ear off. If it had been someone who was seriously baiting me by dissing China like that...well I wouldn't have punched him/her but I'd probably you know...turn around really quickly and "accidentally" smash my backpack into his/her face..hehe.
The walk's gonna have to wait until after these two weeks I'm afraid, hehe, 4 exams next week on my schedule, I'm doomed!!