August 9th, 2007
|10:52 pm - LJ Strikethrough version 2.0, censorship ahoy!|
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Ok...LJ drama is insane...seriously. Remember the "LJ strikethrough 2007" that happened just a few months ago? The one where some group calling themselves Warriors of Innocence (or something like that) reported a bunch of fandom communities and personal journals to the LJ Abuse Team and, based solely on the interests listed on these communities/journals' profile pages, the Abuse Team suspended the accounts? Well I thought it was over after fandom rose up in arms over it accusing LJ of trampling on peoples' freedom of speech causing LJ to apologize (somewhat) and unsuspend most of the communities and journals. Apparently I thought wrong. For those that don't keep up with this community, take a look over on lj_biz , it seems that this time the LJ Abuse Team has suspended 2 personal accounts based on artwork posted by the users that LJ has said "lack artistic merit". I haven't been keeping up with this apparent censorship scandal #2 as much as the first strikethrough, but reading some of the comments and lj's response it's making my head spin. LJ's contradicting itself left and right seemingly determined to open mouth and insert both feet. aura218 was kind enough to make a compilation of all the responses the LJ staff have made to inquiries made by users in the comments on the lj_biz post. I must say, in comparison to the number of I think very legitimate questions users have put forth, the answers have been slow, insufficient, unsatisfactory and confusing with the staff contradicting not only each other but themselves from one answer to another.
Somewhat related to this, it seems that LJ staff has deemed the existence of a community which is pro-ana (anorexia) to be legitimate and perfectly fine under its Terms of Service (TOS). This LJ staff member must have been under alcohol influence or something when he or she wrote in his or her response that "...it's not illegal to aspire to be thin. It's not against the ToS to give people bad advice". Apparently LJ feels that telling and encouraging girls to starve themselves, force themselves to throw up and become trapped in a medical disorder is simply "bad advice". With this in mind I dug around and was horrified to find the community proanorexia with over 11 000 members.
This is so messed up. First of all, LJ stop crying wolf and suspending people for drawing FICTIONAL characters and start focusing on REAL people encouraging other REAL people to hurt themselves. So what if the artwork was depicting Harry Potter in a explicit sexual situation with that creepy looking teacher? So what if Harry's underage? Get it through your goddamn thick skulls that the boy does not exist in real life and thus no one was hurt, violated or abused in the creation of that artwork (not to mention the artist had initially stated that in that particular piece of art Harry was of age and thus NOT a minor). The existence of laws against child pornography is to protect REAL children from harm, not fictional beings. The drawing (or writing) of stories and artwork depicting possibly illegal acts does not mean that the illustrator (or author) will engage in or even supports these acts, how hard is that to understand? How much simpler must we spell it out for you oh mighty LJ staff?
For chrissakes just leave us alone and let us do our things. If we break the law whether due to influence by a community or not then our local police will handle it ok? Even if in the most optimistic view you do manage to ban all the pedos (the real ones, not artists and writers) on LJ so what? They'll find some other way to converge, they'll still target children, and guess what, that's why every year, in every country in the world devotes a certain percentage of their budget to train and hire these people called police officers. Suspending artists aren't going to make them stop drawing, suspending authors aren't going to stop them from writing, suspending pedos I dare say won't be stopping them from their desires either and unfortunately, with communities like proanorexia , suspending it more than likely won't cause many of the girls on there to stop or seek help. Leave the law-enforcing to those qualified for the job and leave the judging for those occupying the judges' chair in the courtrooms, you guys run an internet blog, a journal, a community, a means for people to discuss and debate whatever they want with as minimal censorship as you can possibly manage. Stop the double standards, stop the contradictions, stop the patronizing and leave fandom alone.
What is this artwork of which you speak?
It makes me think about the definitions they use- currently they focus on images- but what if they extend it to writing? How many fanfic communities will be taken down because of this?
They are just targeting the HP fandom because it's the biggest. All my author friends assume this and thus making mirror journals on other host sites in case they get the boot. Also they are locking all their posts as well. And in the end, LJ just lost one of the biggest supplier for donations since most of my author friends have paid accounts and will not renew their paid accounts in the future.
Sorry to intrude, I'm just very sad that my friends are suffering because of 6A's lack of understanding.
That's what most of the fandom's afraid of. HP became the target this time because of their size but there's a ton of fandoms for anime and stuff with the same type of art and fanfics going around, if LJ's allowed to use the ban-hammer that easily then who knows which fandom they'll hit next. If all of a sudden depicting fictional characters in illegal situations becomes unacceptable under LJ's ToS, whether it be writing or art, then...well fandom's going to be a pretty boring place. Gee~ think of all those stories about murder, torture, rape, drug-use *whistle* basically all we'll be able to write on LJ is "Today I had lunch, it was a burger, the end" x_____X
The other was Elaboration. She also has a GJ.
Do you have a link to the piece of art that got her banned??
had a whole post about it but then she left because of this whole fiasco. This whole thing start I think a week ago and thus, I don't know if I can find another post. I shall look for it.
|Date:||August 10th, 2007 11:40 am (UTC)|| |
What a load of bull. -_- And I thought LJ was a good place to hang at...
Yeah so did I, it seems recently LJ's ass has been aching for a kick. Well to quote one userpic I saw someone use "Don't f*ck with fandom, fandom f*cks back...and you can forget about the lube".
|Date:||August 14th, 2007 01:05 pm (UTC)|| |
My friend Holo has that icon. :D
I definitely agree with you there since I'm in the midst of all this. All my friends, well most are authors and are scared to post up their pieces of works because any canon HP plots have harry underage. It's impossible to write canon without breaking the TOS. And I think they also stated that we can't link to obscene works as well. Which is a load of bullshit. I really going to make my paid account lapse because it's not worth paying them if we have to live in fear and thus I have to deleted most of my fic recs, or edited most of them.
All my friends are now posting at GJ, IJ and Journalfen. And crossposting stuff that is safe, so I have to go read on other blogs...It's a big hassle but LJ is being a nitwit.
They have also said that they were to warn people before they suspend but apparently they haven't done that either. I know Ponderosa and I hate the fact that she has to go somewhere else when LJ has been our world for more than 5 years.
Sorry, I'll stop now...
Ooh that totally sucks. I'm not much of a HP fan but I can totally imagine my frustration if this had happened to say the PoT fandom. LJ's being such an asshole, not just in their actions but in their delay to respond to their customers' inquiries, you'd think after the last fiasco they'd have learned something, anything, but they honestly seem to have learned zilch. I seriously wonder at the education level of the people running this site, it doesn't seem to be very high, nor their intelligence level. From what I've read I have yet to find one staff who's responded to questions in the comments who is articulate and can communicate effectively, and I have yet to hear one answer they've given that isn't patronizing which I find completely insulting, I hate being patronized. If LJ thinks fandom's going to let this go unchallenged well, I say let them bring it on.
So... who's moving to GJ or any other journal? :| :|
I think its ironic..that they allow such a thing to exist..(anorexia)when others are banned merely on producing art which are of fictional characters :|
I think the LJ staff has too much time on their hands..seriously..