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July 30th, 2009


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09:42 am - American soldier refuses to deploy due to suspicion Obama's not legally president...(lol)

I saw someone post about this on the [info]talk_politics community (here if you want to read the discussion in the comments, the post is unlocked) and, well, I found it amusing enough to re-post it here on my lj.

So here's the issue summerized by the HuffingtonPost;
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/14/stefan-frederick-cook-sol_n_231383.html

Basically, there's a group of people in the USA right now that believe Obama wasn't born in the USA (he is said to be born in Hawaii).  Now I belive it's in the Constitution of the USA (or maybe it's just a law, I don't know, my US friends feel free to help me out on this one) that any pesident of the United States must be born in the Land of the Free and the Brave, so if Obama wasn't born in the US then that kind of brings up some problems.

Now, there's a soldier who is  refusing to be deployed to Afghanistan because he doesn't believe Obama was born in the USA and therefore can't be the president and so is in fact, not the Commander and Chief of the United States military (the president of the US is also the Commander and Chief of their military, unlike here in Canada where the PM isn't head of our military).  According to the article, the soldier states that 'he "would be acting in violation of international law by engaging in military actions outside the United States under this President's command. ... simultaneously subjecting himself to possible prosecution as a war criminal by the faithful execution of these duties."

Erm...lol?  Shouldn't this kind of stuff have been brought up DURING the elections campaign and not now, 8 months after it's been over and done with?  Where were the prostests during Obama's inauguration??  Not to mention I personally think it's quite unfair only USA-born citizens can be presidents, you don't have to be born in a country to be able to do a good job at leading it.  What if someone's born in another country and a month later moved to the USA where he/she has been living every since?  I personally wouldn't care who was PM of Canada if he/she has the country's best interest at heart and can lead well I say go for it (and looking at our present pool of politicians to choose from I'd say maybe we need an injection of some fresh blood into our system x__X).  Also, the soldier's claim that he could be prosecutd as a war criminal is XDD  If any organization even had the authority or power to try Americans as war criminals I think all those involved in initiating the Iraq War would have long been hauled in for their hearing considering the entire war was illegal.  You know this is only because Obama's black, if he was Caucasian none of this would even be a thought in peoples' minds.  People would just assume he was born in the USA and no one would even question it.  So much for equality and non-discrimination.  Obama's got a tough crown to preside over.
 


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From:cavechan
Date:July 30th, 2009 02:06 pm (UTC)
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Just a bunch of butt-hurt McCain lovers. He was born in Hawaii well after it became a state. Get the fuck over it and worry about something that actually matters.

I also think it's a dumb rule. There's other rules too like they have to be a certain age (I think 30 or 35 or something), which is a bit more understandable at least.
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From:abomvubuso
Date:July 30th, 2009 05:04 pm (UTC)
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By their logic, McCain is even less American because he was born in a US military base in Panama. Go figure.
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From:cavechan
Date:July 30th, 2009 10:03 pm (UTC)
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oh lol logic. One of my college professors had a problem like that when she was trying to get her maiden name changed on some card or something and they were confused and thought she wasn't American because she was born in a US military base in Baghdad. e_e People who don't know how their own country works...
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From:abomvubuso
Date:July 30th, 2009 11:19 pm (UTC)
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Its a complicated country, by any means ^__^
From:_zox_
Date:July 30th, 2009 02:55 pm (UTC)
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It was brought up during the election and it was proven (via birth certificate) that he was born in Hawaii. And again recently, the governor (or at least I think I read it was the governor or some official) of Hawaii said again that they have Obama's birth certificate.

So it's just Republicans in denial.
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From:jailbaitjello
Date:August 1st, 2009 12:51 am (UTC)
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There was even a ruckus about whether or not the birth certificate was real. -_-;

Man, some people are so stupid.
From:sweet_gable
Date:July 30th, 2009 03:44 pm (UTC)
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lol so much fail xD
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From:abomvubuso
Date:July 30th, 2009 05:01 pm (UTC)
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because he doesn't believe Obama was born in the USA

See? Thats why i hate the word "believe".
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From:lana_jasmine
Date:July 31st, 2009 02:19 am (UTC)
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I would just like to add a big lol to our Commander in Chief.... an old queen across the ocean and a former reporter to act in her name. Wut.

It's such a stupid thing to assume about Obama. You just can't assume these things in North America. Both sides of my family immigrated here and my parents were both ESL...in fact, English is technically my mom's third language. She learnt French before English by accident haha (no longer fluent in French though).

Pregnant American ladies should be careful. If they want their child to be president, they better make sure they're on American soil. They might ruin their future child's dreams!


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From:surealistic_des
Date:July 31st, 2009 11:36 am (UTC)
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oh god. I'm thinking, don't people have other things to worry about? Like this current "global crisis and all. :/

They wouldn't even have this problem if Obama was white eh? :/ Urgh. Urgh.

Hmm, bout US presidents have to be born on American soil, understandable I guess somewhat. I think its similar for us, with the governor general having to be Australian and all to be elected.
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From:koneko_desu
Date:July 31st, 2009 01:44 pm (UTC)
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Your governor general's elected?? We don't even get to pick our's, the PM chooses whoever he/she wants. But being a citizen of a country isn't the same as having to be born there. I'm a Canadian citizen by law, but I was born in China. I know that for people to obtain Secret Level Clearance and Top Secret Level Clearance (2 clearances certain positions within the government require) people had to have resided in Canada for 5 or 10 years respectively and be Canadian citizens, but even though I was born in China I still qualify for those clearances and job positions because citizenship can change through a person's life. I mean I'm sure every single country has some regulation requiring that the head of the state be a citizen of that country, but birth is something else since you can't change it and you really didn't get to choose where you were born either.
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From:surealistic_des
Date:August 1st, 2009 12:00 am (UTC)
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Nah I was referring to the our MPs. Rudd is good, anything is better than Howard I think. Our governor general, well hmm it's hard to say. Considering, he is kinda like a figurehead
That is true, becoming a citizen and being born there a different. Not mention, being born in different countries. Makes people more diverse, do you have dual nationality just to be curious. For us to becoming Australian citizens, you have to live here for 3-5 years then you take a citizenship test, which was controvestial. For goverment positions, Im not sure 'bout security since basic requirements is being an Australian citizen and getting a security check. Those were the requirements anyways, when I were applying for graduate positions
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From:koneko_desu
Date:August 1st, 2009 01:08 am (UTC)
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I had to give up my Chinese citizenship because China doesn't allow dual citizenships, Canada doesn't care. Yeah to become a Canadian citizen you had to have lived here for a certain amount of years (I think it's 3 minimum, but I could be wrong) and then there's the test. I think they were saying that if they administered that citizenship test to Canadian citizens more than half wouldn't be able to pass, that's so sad.

Here in Canada we have 3 clearance types for government positions which I believe about 95% of government positions require at least one of, even if you're just an admin in a department or something.

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